CIC | ‘Construction Industry Council’ or ‘Confusion in Costs’?

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6 May 2016

Many people share the confusion articulated this week by Deputy John Curran T.D., the chairman of the new Dáil Committee on Housing and Homelessness. While discussing building costs, Deputy Curran said,

“I share concern about building costs because I am frustrated. We are talking about building a house, yet, as a committee, we are not able to find out the labour cost in building one”.

Well why wouldn’t Deputy Curran TD and the new Dáil Committee on Housing and Homelessness ask the Construction Industry Council (CIC), comprised of representatives of the six largest construction bodies operating in Ireland, about construction costs?

The members of the CIC are:
• The Association of Consulting Engineers in Ireland (ACEI)
• The Building Materials Federation (BMF)
• The Construction Industry Federation (CIF)
• Engineers Ireland (EI)
• The Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland (RIAI)
• The Society of Chartered Surveyors Ireland (SCSI)

Unfortunately the CIC seem to be confused too!

There now seems to be discord among two CIC member bodies, the CIF and the SCSI. This time it is over the actual cost of building a house.

On Tuesday Tom Parlon, Director General of the CIF told the Dail Committee on Housing & Homelessness that:

“There is an assigned certifier system that it has to be signed off by a chartered surveyor, a chartered engineer or an architect. That adds substantially to the quality of the house and adds substantially to the cost”

“I guarantee… that any builder, including the two gentlemen present, would take the hand off anyone they believed was offering a €20,000 margin on a €300,000 house. It is certainly not the case that such margins are available” (<8% profit margin).  

Just last October,  another CIC member the SCSI commissioned an economist and published construction costs including a  €30,000 profit on a €255,000 house.” (Link: Here). This week  SCSI Director General, Patricia Byron, told the Committee that “are very happy to work with (the committee) on an ongoing basis because we survey our members on a regular basis. Where other reports take six months to a year, we do not have that time lag. We are an independent professional body that tells it like it is” (Link: here)

So what is the profit margin on a house; less than €20,000 on €300,000 (<8% nett of VAT) according to the builders, or more than €30,000 on €255,000 (15% nett of VAT) according to the surveyors? The Dáil Committee on Housing and Homelessness would like some help.

Costs

Earlier this week we reported on further discord within the CIC; an apparent clash between one of the above members on the costs of Building Control inspection and the level of service required for a basic house extension  (Link; Here).

The RIAI, who currently chair the CIC, was at variance with the CIC itself at these costs with figures ranging between €3,000 and € 8,000 for the Building Control supervision fee for a modest building project.

There are many who consider that CIC members, such as the CIF, RIAI and SCSI, make for strange bedfellows. It is almost a case of the poacher getting into bed with the gamekeepers with nobody looking out for the homebuyer. Perhaps the CIC acronym actually stands for:

Constantly Ignored Consumer!

The members of the Dáil Committee on Housing and Homelessness are as follows:

Deputy John Curran (FF), Chair.

Deputy Mary Butler ,(FF) Deputy Kathleen Funchion (SF), Deputy Catherine Byrne (FG), Deputy Fergus O’Dowd (FG), Deputy Joan Collins (UL), Deputy Maureen O’Sullivan (Ind), Deputy Ruth Coppinger (AAA), Deputy Maurice Quinlivan (SF), Deputy Barry Cowen (FF), Deputy Brendan Ryan (Lab). Deputy Bernard J. Durkan (FG),Deputy Mick Wallace (Ind) and Eoin Ó Broin (SF)

The Committee have an open call for submissions by next Wednesday. (Link: Here) Other Links of Interest:

CIC | Construction Industry Council or Construction Industry Conflicts of Interest? 

Housing Costs | Mark Keenan Irish Independent 

Housing Costs | Karl Deeter Sunday Business Post

Housing Costs | Lorcan Sirr Sunday Times

Housing Costs | Ronan Lyons Irish Times

CIF & House Prices | Do you want your old lobby washed down? 

 

 

1 thought on “CIC | ‘Construction Industry Council’ or ‘Confusion in Costs’?

  1. Michael O'Neill

    Rings up Buildem and Floggem, Contractor.

    “Ah yeah. Cost of a house. Sure who would know that. Market Forces. Ar chee tek Fees. Certs. Alladat. Terrible hard to say. Couldn’t put a figure on it. Would have to build it first. Sure put down your deposit anyway and I’ll get back to you. Yeah. Yeah. See you in Galway. Aw, the table prices are terrible this year. Oh yeah. I allus know the price of a Table at the Galway Races! Sure what builder doesn’t! Gowwanouradah! See ya there. Oh helicoper o’ course”

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